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Saturday, September 29, 2018

Why a Discrete Minimum Distance Fails

In the previous post entitled "Why Strings Don't Exist", we showed it is possible to have a length shorter than the famed Planck length. The question becomes, what is the minimum discrete distance, assuming there is such a thing? Normally, we use infinitesimal points to build geometrical objects like lines, planes, rectangles, etc. What happens if we use a line with the smallest magnitude possible that is greater than zero? Before we delve into these questions, let's define the variables:

OK, let's assume the fundamental building block is a line somewhere between zero and the Planck length. We'll call it d:

Let's try building a square with d:

So far, so good. All the distances appear to be no less than d. But what is the distance along the diagonal (or hypotenuse)?

The diagonal distance is a little bit more than d. The additional distance is marked in red. Notice this distance is not an integer multiple of d. To make this distance, we need a distance d plus a distance less than d. There can be no distance less than d, so we can't draw the above square. Here's an idea: draw a rectangle with 3X4 d-units. Thanks to Pythagoras, the diagonal will be 5 d-units:

Because all distances must be integer units of d, our geometry does not include squares, rectangles or triangles that have diagonals and sides that fail to have magnitudes that are integer multiples of d. But at least we found one rectangle that works--or maybe not:

If we draw lines from each d to every other d, we once again have distances that are not integer multiples of d. In the example above, we have a distance (c) of 3.6d. To have that distance, we need 3d plus a 0.6d. In our geometry, there's no such thing as 0.6d. Thus we can't draw the 3X4 rectangle. In fact, every rectangle and triangle we draw will have some distance that includes a fraction of d.

Perhaps we'll have better luck with circles? Check this out:

If we take distance d and shape it into a circle circumference (C), the diameter (D) will be less than d! D = d/pi (where C=d). If we try to draw any circle with d-units, we hit a brick wall. You see, you calculate the circumference with pi * D. If D is an integer (n) multiple of d, pi * n won't equal a circumference with an integer multiple of d. Pi is an irrational number.

OK, so perfect circles are out. How about imperfect circles? Perhaps we can replace pi with something more rational. Even if we do, circles have the same problem we encountered earlier:

There's always a line between two d's, that is not an integer multiple of d. This is also true with any shape imaginable:

So far, things look pretty hopeless for our geometry based on d. But unfortunately, there's more pain. Let's go back to the beginning and reexamine d:

Distance d is a line along the x-axis. But what is it along the y and z axis, i.e., what is its cross section?

Line d has a cross section of zero magnitude! That zero magnitude is just a single point in space with zero distance! Zero distance is not allowed, so a distance-d line is not allowed. Perhaps we can convert the line into a cylinder, so the cross-section will have a d-magnitude. Let's look at our new cross section:

Oops! The cross section is shaped like a circle. We can easily draw a red line from one d to the other that isn't an integer multiple of d. Thus it is now abundantly clear that a geometry based on distance d (instead of a point) is a dismal failure.

Update: Here is a formal proof that shows that, at any two non-parallel adjacent unit lengths (in this case the Planck length), it is possible to draw lines (lines a, b) shorter than the unit length. The following diagram is an example of an arbitrary shape:

Note that the shape is made up of connected unit lengths. Here are two examples of adjacent-unit lengths blown up to a convenient size for inspection:

Now let's take one arbitrary pair of connected unit lengths and label the lines and angles:

Now we are ready to do the proof. Here it is:

Update: The following proof demonstrates why a curved Planck-length string creates distances shorter than the so-called shortest distance. Below are some examples of curved strings:

The examples above clearly make the point, but is the point generally true? Here's the proof:

5 comments:

  1. Firstly, I agree the minimum distance (Planck length) does not make sense. However, maybe geometry is accurate only at the macro scale? With circles, squares, diagonals, etc., made up of billions of Planck lengths, then we wouldn't notice these tiny inaccuracies. Perhaps you are simply proving that nature cannot be described by geometry at the small scale.

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    1. No matter how big the scale, there is always a distance that is made up of an integer multiple of the Planck length (or unit you choose) plus a fraction of that length. The fraction falsifies the claim that the Planck length is the smallest length possible.

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  2. Has there ever been any intrinsic, necessary reason to presume an ultimate minimum discreet distance within the context of physical reality? Outside of the practical need for discreet units for factoring, what justifies presumption of any ultimate scale bounds to physical reality. Causality, it seems, is not so much a mystery where we allow for infinite regress of emergent action being the consequence of interactions taking place at lesser scales. It's when we presume ultimate discrete bounds that we run into 'the paradox of causality'.

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    1. See string theory and quantum-loop gravity. These theories like to use distances greater than zero and up to the Planck length.

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  3. Curious ; Notice Planck's Length is being exemplified on a 2 dimensional plane.. Curved space is the norm...Note a Triangle in curved space can have 270 degrees within.. Each point connects at 90 Degrees.. Carry that curved space all the way down to whichever dimension you desire..and shape you desire..Note point A to point B is not always the shortest route...Use "strings" on a curved space...of all shapes ... What is the distance between the various shapes and how much "Planck " does it require? Then we could go even further down with our imaginations...or is there a boundary after all.. Macro / Micro.. "Higgs Boson"

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